Bytes & Smart Telecoms scam


On the 10th of March 2014, R25,000.00 was deposited into The Prepaid Guru T/A Bytes & Smart Telecoms' FNB bank account, after communications between ourselves and the company and a personal visit to their offices in KZN, regarding a toilet paper distribution business found on www.bytesdealership.com. There has been no communication from them since and after further investigation, the reality of this company running a scam sunk in.

Called both ABSA - our bank, and FNB - Bytes' bank to get all options available to us. Went to open a case, as adviced so that the account could atleast be frozen by FNB while the investigation continues. We were very surprised when FNB told us that they could not freeze the account, but can make a note on it. Had this been a single complaint against this company, we could give FNB the benefit of the doubt, but there are plenty of complaints, including notes made on the account itself, clearly visible to the group fraud department. We are in possession of another case filed against the same company, where the complainant manage to get her money back, but the account is still active. This is very disappointing from FNB and if the person decides to clear the account and disappear, FNB will be liable as the date of the complaint will confirm that there were still funds in the account, our R25,000.00 atleast.
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The name of the company is bytes & smart Telecoms, or bytes dealership.

Please spread the word, as we found out, while in the bank that some people still think of investing with them. We just need help with knowing where to go from here, and any advice regarding our options in recovering our money would be of great importance

Report ID: 6063
Crime Category: Fraud
Province: Gauteng
City/Town: JOHANNESBURG
Suburb: Midrand
Address: 5 Old Main, Kloof, KZN
Crime Date/Time: 10 Mar 2014, 00:03 AM
Reported By: Username7668
Reported Date: 4 Apr 2014, 19:04 PM
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  • Nardus2 27 Sep 2016, 02:31 PM

    Any one with help or whom also lost money- email detective (WO) Kobus Vermaak at the SAPS in Potchefstroom at badenhorstdp@saps.gov.za

  • BA Hlongwane 3 Aug 2015, 09:57 AM

    Many thanks Guys. I nearly deposited R5900 to the so called Bytes account,not knowing that beats are croocking us.But they will soon drink their own poison.

  • Lindo2 15 Jul 2015, 06:44 PM

    Thanks to Thulani I looked here and found out from him cause I was about to fall for this scam the second time, I first bought the super dealer for R5900 and it was not working so I thought let me do the premium dealer, but this time I was uneasy only to find this site and tryed calling them and they were no where to be found and Thulani saved me from handing away my money again eish what a sad thing this guy is doing! Hai

  • Reuben phofa 13 Jun 2015, 03:35 PM

    i am also a victim as I deposited 25000 last year in may still i never received anything my 0713045375

  • Popza 5 Jun 2015, 07:57 AM

    Hi guys,these people sent me their contract on Tuesday. What was stranger was that there was no company reg number, I then requested one from the lady called Sne, she sent it to me and I decided to investigate this company since that was too good to be true, only to find that it's a scam.

  • benedict 26 May 2015, 03:21 AM

    Thanks guys I almost paid after receiving their franchise contract from the lady called ayanda mhlungu this people are killing our beautiful country and robbing the poor who are trying to make a living

  • Seelan Reddy 30 Mar 2015, 03:35 PM

    This is a scam people, do no engage them. take your money, no goods for months, avoid emails and calls, i have taken legal action against the previous company, The Tissue Company, and still awaiting a resolution. Other companies there trading as: SAtissuemills Afri-trucks Afrimills Afrivest Afriline

  • Des6 30 Mar 2015, 09:23 AM

    DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT FALL FOR THIS SCAM! Luckily for me I managed to do my research before investing. I am truly sorry for the people who did loose their money. Thanks to the guys here who try to save people from making a huge mistake. I did talk to a Monique Black from the so called company on 031 701 3162 but now the number is always busy (PS. Makes you kinda wonder hey). Anyway I am glad I found this site was a real eye opener.

  • Phumlani 16 Mar 2015, 09:21 AM

    i just saw this business opportunity jst now and was about to diposit money to this Byte account. guys what about the AFRIVEST? are they also SCAM?

  • Thulani 10 Mar 2015, 08:41 PM

    Guys I paid R25000 in March 2014 but they said they will send me lead customers and they did im working now foning these customers but. I haven't seen the samples of toilet papers.yo can contact me @ 0784826747

  • Kynan 17 Feb 2015, 07:46 AM

    Thanks for the insight, doing research and came across this info, I will not be going any further.

  • C.J.Meyer 11 Feb 2015, 09:07 AM

    Thank the Good Lord for people like you. I was almost another victom of this scam but after reading all this reviewes we dicide to drop it.I wish every one of you who dealt with those addders all the best and hope that you will get your money back and those scammers behind bars for years.God bless every one of you.

  • deekay 30 Jan 2015, 07:41 PM

    tjo tjo thanks Rich we already lost thousands thanks for the light

  • Richard Wilson 29 Jan 2015, 08:56 AM

    Hi All, I own a company called Afrimill which trades in agricultural products and comodoties. Afrimill is in no way associated to this toilet paper company. We employ 4 people and are based in JHB and DBN. I have received many calls with regards to this and would strongly advise everyone to NOT TO DO BUSINESS with these people. It is an absolute scam.

  • deekay 27 Jan 2015, 09:10 AM

    Guys we are trying to come up with something here pls respond to Kedibone's watsap number add her and lets chat we already on our toes we oppened a group there, thanks

  • Deekay2 25 Jan 2015, 03:59 PM

    Eish I'm also a victim. I tried calling no answer. When I email them to ask whether they are scam or what they gave me other numbers now. They told me to deposit for stock what I want is my 5900 and leave this crap nxa

  • Kedibone 15 Jan 2015, 12:58 PM

    I was also scammed by these people. Mbali sent me an email in December saying they will start production on the 5th of January 2015. Can we get our heads together to c how we can get our hard earned money back. For those that are interested can u leave ur numbers so that we can get hold of u, my no. is 0746041509 what's app only

  • lifee 10 Jan 2015, 08:34 AM

    Hi gud people.lm also scammed by those criminals...i should have known,now my money is gone..how sad is this..i was in military so I will do everything possible to get those criminals...the police officers laughed at me when I told them...i swear I won't rest till justice is done...my no 0738600439

  • Msizi 8 Jan 2015, 05:21 PM

    Thanks to all. Have just registered with them but not paid and will not be paying.

  • Sindy7 17 Dec 2014, 08:33 AM

    they now use the Standard bank account, is it possible to get my money back guys? Please help

  • Sindy7 17 Dec 2014, 08:20 AM

    Guys pls advise what to do I've also paid R5900 and was about to order stock. Please advise what to do now. Lets nail these people guys please help

  • nokwazi3 9 Dec 2014, 01:51 PM

    Hi Guys I thank you all who have posted comment about this tissue company. I have filed forms and was going to deposit my hard earned money this coming friday. spoke to Mbally because I couldn't trace thier registration status with SARS and SEDA and she assured me that they are registered and that I must make an appointment to see them personaly to view their documents. I am so sorry to those who lost their money already.to those who lost their money and those who almost lost . let us work on a plan on getting together and make a big noise about this tissue company before many unsuspecting poeple fall prey to this.

  • CLIVE6 3 Dec 2014, 10:23 AM

    BYTES TISSUES IS A FRAUD I DID MY INVESTICATION SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LOST MONEY

  • Debbie17 2 Dec 2014, 10:53 AM

    Thanks a lot guys. You are my heros today. You saved me from being scammed. We are all looking for a good opportunity to make money and cannot afford to lose money especially to people who obviously have no integrity or values whatsoever. I hope you get your money back and these crooks get nailed.

  • Roda 1 Dec 2014, 04:51 PM

    Eevho!!!!!!!, I was just about to complete forms and pay. Besides the scam, anyone who can advice this members to redirect their energy on legitimate company than "the tissue company"? Lucky research..........

  • Private 26 Nov 2014, 10:42 AM

    Came across a coal tender opportunity website: http://www.afrilineprojects.biz which just smells of these guys.

  • Anne12 24 Nov 2014, 03:11 PM

    Hi Guys please watch our the tissue company seems to be now advertising under the name Afimills Tissue Suppliers, if you google tissue suppliers the appear on the top of the page. I am still working on retrieving my money and don't want anyone to fall in the same trap I did. I think if anyone does business they must visit the company personally before proceeding. To many fraudsters out there

  • Manare 23 Nov 2014, 02:13 PM

    I saw this and I knew it was too good to be true now their website is tissuedealership.com sorry to those that got their money stolen I still believe FNB should do something about it

  • Bonani 20 Nov 2014, 07:05 PM

    Hi guys, thank very much for the information. I phoned their office today.The company name called is called The Tissue company. I spoke to Mandy. I also ffilled the application form and Mbali responded. As I was reading the contract I received they mentioned the name Bytes Toilet Papers. I sent my friend who lives in Pinetown to check if the exists. He drove around and he didn't see any building with that name. He said there seem to be no manufacturing companies in the area. When he phoned they refused to tell him more info because he said he asking on behalf of someone and they said I should come and should make an appointment 2 days before. I am so glad I got hold of this site. Thank u so much. Now the registration fee is R5890.00. My money is now saved. I sorry for those of you who lost your money. I hope it's sorted out and this people are caught.

  • Danny4 18 Nov 2014, 06:34 PM

    I am glad I did my research before falling for this trap, which I always do before buying into anything these days. I went through the "contract" and was not happy that the company registration number is not showing and as I read through came across Bytes Toilet Paper which appeared once and googled the name which brought me to this group. I was worried when the number was not going through and why is a big company using one line. I also spoke to "Mbali" who pretended not to hear me when I asked her important questions and dropped the phone, she actually didn't expect a man voice bcs I asked my girlfriend to send her an email after trying for two days to call her and when she called she asked for my girlfriend........their day will come.....sorry guys who lost their money.

  • Angela6 17 Nov 2014, 03:44 PM

    Just saved myself a whole lot of money by doing a google search. Thanks for the warning posts!

  • Anne12 14 Nov 2014, 03:20 PM

    Hi guys this company is a scam, I got the address of the factory 2 days ago, I google the road name then called companies in the area enquiring about any tissue manufacturers in the area a guy from Afrox helped me, he gave me a lady's number whom factory is next to the these manufacturers. She says they closed 2 months ago, and they only operated for 3 months on the whole and they were subsidised by the government. She further mentioned that in their 3 months of operation the run their machine now and then. We must all help each other and get justice.

  • Siyabonga2 14 Nov 2014, 02:12 PM

    Thank you guys for reporting this scam, I was still searching about this the tissue company but their website was looking sceptical and I was also still worried about their as to how can you enter into a business contract with people you never met and if I only sign pay and fax it , when to they also sign? Seems like I was going to be entering in a contract alone. Thanks gusy for alerting us

  • mxolisi3 13 Nov 2014, 10:05 PM

    Im here because i was doing a research about the tissue business before i invest(so glad i did), i did so because there was something wrong about the website of thetissuecompany.com, 1)dot com yeah rite, on the home page its the actual promo, come one..2) then realised there was bytes, same address same everything, the real alarm came where it says you make R600 000 a month if you work hard...why cant they just supply themselves if there is so much money to make...60 cents a roll, yeah right .

  • marcel 12 Nov 2014, 11:49 AM

    THANKS TO WEBSIDE LIKE THIS THAT REMINDED ME THAT THE WORLD IS FULL OF CORRUPTIONS I ALMOST INVESTED IN THIS COMPANY.BUT IF THERE IS A LEGIT COMPANY OUT THERE LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I AM STILL INTRESTED IN DOING BUSINESS WITH TOILET PAPER.

  • Username7090 10 Nov 2014, 03:21 PM

    Can someone pls update me or they must advise who do ihave to speak to to open a case

  • Username7668 7 Nov 2014, 12:23 PM

    Can those who have opened cases please send the case numbers to me?

  • Seelan Reddy 3 Nov 2014, 03:08 PM

    I have also been victim to this fraud. The owner contacted me today to refund my fees but wanted me to drop the cases i opened first. I refused and asked for the refund 1st. I await his response

  • Joe10 27 Oct 2014, 04:02 PM

    ...if it sounds to good to be true... I did research first and that's why I'm here in this forum. Yes we would all like that great opportunity but please guys- be careful and I'm sorry for those who already fell victim. For the very least you walk away with a very expensive lesson. The first alarm bell for me was the lack of Company Registration number on their website, Contract or Logo. I also did a search on CIPC and found nothing. Sorry but if a company supplies P&P, Spar, Shoprite etc...Ha ah. I'm in the tracing business- so if you have an ID number or something I can trace him on- then perhaps you can lead police to his house. Cheers Joe (CPT)

  • Bafana 21 Oct 2014, 08:59 PM

    I too am a victim. Can we all meet at a central place, and get a plan of action to go to KZN and report the matter, get Speak Out involved and cause havoc at their premises. Let's meet somewhere in Jhb Ghandi Square on Sunday afternoon (14:00pm) My number is 079 217 3336

  • peter pitso 21 Oct 2014, 06:49 PM

    all people who are scamed by these company pls call peter pitso at 0732379291.we've got to take serious action about these company .

  • kez 15 Oct 2014, 08:09 PM

    oh my good thing I came across these comments was going to register with them tomorrow but something told me there must be a catch coz how can u pay R10'800 once off and make as much as 600000 a month from customers they give u why dont they themselves supply these companies and cash in on it

  • Concerned12 15 Oct 2014, 10:37 AM

    Did you make the deposit Lungi?

  • Janine17 14 Oct 2014, 02:02 PM

    I don't understand why they re still in operation, they are still advertising I sent a email to enquire and Mandy replied even gave me their registration on: 2010/071977/23

  • nono 11 Oct 2014, 02:41 PM

    I think the best way for your solution is to go to speak out and also book an appointment with them as a person interest to open their franchise,then as u would have opened a case towards them,go with the police so that they can catch them.

  • lungi7 10 Oct 2014, 01:34 PM

    I'm really confused and surprised to hear these comments about bytes as I'm still excited about this opportunity they give to people.I'm from their office at kloof Pinetownn ,a very beauvigil office with one lady who's so nice and welcoming.today I'm about to deposit that R10800.Can anyone with a positive experience about Bytes toilet paper show up?

  • Username7668 8 Oct 2014, 04:42 PM

    Yes, he is still on the loose. The police claim that they cannot do anything. He has opened up a new bank account with FNB and a new business name, the tissue company and the tissue dealership. I have had a number of people sending me emails regarding this, after losing money too.

  • Concerned12 8 Oct 2014, 03:27 PM

    Post BOX: Speak Out Po Box 8922 Johannesburg 2000 T: 011 492 3756 F: 086 563 3754 E: speakout@aviwebds.co.za

  • Concerned12 8 Oct 2014, 03:21 PM

    Fraudster still out on the lose?

  • Username7090 4 Oct 2014, 06:55 PM

    Hi I am also a victim. I registered in July paid R 17800 all together this Mbali is always in a meeting,plus Mandy is on leave Mbali dropped her phone while I was still talking, I took a drive to the premises I got a shock after I was told I must go and report at the police becus I have been scammed pls people let's setup a meeting and get this sorted out before they vacate their offices

  • Nardus2 29 Sep 2014, 09:53 PM

    Hi I paid R10 800 to them in July. Can not get a hold of them. I talk to Mbali and once in a while she picks up the phone, but make if she can not hear me when I call and put the phone down. My bank also said they can not do any thing. What can we do?

  • peter pitso 29 Sep 2014, 09:39 PM

    These Philani Ntuli refuse to refund me,he eve send me sms saying i am bot going to get refund.

  • Masomelele 17 Sep 2014, 01:06 AM

    I wish I could kill myself right now, jst lost my 5900 too

  • Dineo Motlhabi 19 Aug 2014, 03:51 PM

    I've bought the franchise last year 2013 buying website, 083 mtn n many other things and they didn't bare any fruits for me. This year I've also bought airtime website for R2800. When I call the lady by the name Nelly Mkhize will be lying telling me that I must check my emails. I did check even at the "spam" side to know avail. These days when I call their phones are just ringing NO RESPONSE. I also need urgent help as I've borrowed the money from my friend and now he is not trusting me any longer.

  • peter pitso 16 Aug 2014, 02:56 AM

    The owner of the company Philani Ntuli He is not answering my calls ,he blocked all my numbers.i really need help to get my morney,i am not working.i thought buying the franchice it is a good investment.i trusted cuz they advertise with the names of the big company like Mtn and Bytes telecoms..any messiah tohelp me to get my R5900.00 refund.my cellno 0732379271.i can't even sleep.

  • peter pitso 11 Aug 2014, 10:17 AM

    I have lodged a complaint tobe assistet to get my refund bytes business opportunityMr ,Ntuli is rejecting my calls.pls help me toget my morney.

  • peter pitso 4 Aug 2014, 09:59 AM

    Pls help me to get my R5900.00 back from bytes & smart telecoms i paid morney on 26 April 2014.they dessappeared with my morney.my contact numberr is 073 237 9271

  • Username7668 16 Jul 2014, 06:41 PM

    To everyone who has become victim, please go open a case at you local police station, go to your bank if not FNB and report it, then go to FNB to report this against their account number. send me an email dintoe@gmail.com so that we can put an end to this, I believe that if we stand together, then we will get our money back and bring him down. The banks are protecting this fool

  • Viwe 16 Jul 2014, 05:02 PM

    I nearly paid R10 800 to this company today. Thank you for your posts I didn't know it was a scam. I went to their offices yesterday to know more about them and everything seemed legit. I'm really surprised, thank you for your information

  • portia12 14 Jul 2014, 02:32 PM

    these people are scams, the owner Mr Philani Ntuli is a fraudster, we really need to go to speak out, this company always changes names every year. ive made a research about them, they started as,the prepaid guru,smartpaid, smartelecoms,pcg and now bytes. getting this complains they will probably change names again, i paid in 5900 till today i heard nothing from them all i get is emails telling me about more business opportunities. i finally got this Philani Ntuli and his cell phone number, but he always ignores my number or private calls. 0727444938

  • lebogang5 10 Jul 2014, 02:08 PM

    I too am a victim. I registered for the mtn 083 number franchise and they sent me a toilet paper distribution contract. Since then I've not heard anything from them. Its surprises me because they use big brands in advertising the franchise such as mtn and dstv. These people. Are really a scam. And everytime you call the line a woman called Mbali would answer and say wait for the call from head office. I paid in R5900

  • peter pitso 23 Jun 2014, 03:23 PM

    I also a victim i paid 5900.00r.they are not answering calls anymore.

  • Linda Jones 23 Jun 2014, 08:06 AM

    Thank you very much for this information. I was thinking of investing with this group. Information is very useful.

  • lebogang6 22 May 2014, 09:16 AM

    Hi guys I hv a bad experience as well about this company. I bought the franchise as well in February this year (2014), I payed R5900 into their FNB account. They sent me manuals and brouchers,they promised me a professional website and I dnt hv any til now. I THNK WE SHUD GROUP OURSSELVES AND CALL SPEAK OUT.

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